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Dr. SMARTT: ...... I take jt that the proposition the Admiralty make js that they would encourage the spirit of local defence and iocal assistance for naval p and that the best direction in which that could take effect would be either in the direction of submarines, or I suppose the Admiralty would also be prepared to consider

Lord TWEEDMOUTH : — Certainly.

Dr. SMARTT : — 1] should take it that the submarine is a ship that only employs # small number of the most highly trained experts ?

Dr, SMARTT : — She js not a vessel that will go far out to sea, whereas in the establishment of the destroyer class, you would at once imbue your People with the spirit of scamanship and the idea that they were rendering greater service, because they could go some little distance out to sea, and that would be a great incentive to develop- Ing a naval spirit amongst our people,

Lord TWEEDMOUTH : — I think the development of submarines js going to be such in the future as almost to supersede the destroyer ; that jt WI have a much larger sea range, and it will be not merely a defensive vessel, but a very distinetly offensive one. — (p. 479)

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Mr. BRODEUR : ....., Our situation is a different one to that of the other Colonies, and should be treated »s such. 1 think, however, jt would be only fair that I

should state to-day that the position of Canada has not been properly represented as

far as Naval Defence is concerned, I see by a document which has been laid before us that we are supposed not to have spent any money at all upon Naval Defence. That document shows what has been spent by the United Kingdom, by Newfoundland, Australla, New Zeeland, the Cape, Natal, and when it comes to speak of Canada, it js simply stated there that the Naval expenditure js none, I] May say at the outset that

situation, which was created in Canada by that Treaty, induced the British Admiralty to look after the defence, or after the protection of Canada, aginst the Peaching of these

in connection with that Fisheries Protection Service has been carried on, incurred, and made by the Canadian Government... ...

I must also say that this obligation which we are carrying out to-day is to a certain extent not simpiy à local obligation but an Imperial obligation, because that

Grant Dern imeured In virue of treaties, those trenties having been passed between Great Britain and the United States without, of course, the consent of Canada, — (130)

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Mr. BRODEUR : ,..,..There was a discussion in previous years to the effect that we should contribute something directly to the British Navy. 1 may say Mould pe ee 19 only one mind in Canada on that question, and 1f it was necessary 1 should be able to quote the remarks made lately in a article published by Sir Charles quPUER, “hu ls certalnly one of the men best qualified to speak in Canade, upon the question, 1 Think, perhaps, 1 might mention what he said in regard to that, He said :

“the strategie points at the harbours of Halifax and Esquimait the Canadian Govern- “ ment at once relleved them of that large expenditure, amounting to 185,000 1, per an- “num......(p. 481)

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Dr. SMARTT (Cape Coelony):—Would 1 be in order in moving this Naval Resolution after the discussion yesterday ? 1 do not think it will take any time because it is a

“this Conference, recognising the vast importance of the services rendered by the trade, and the paramount

CHAIRMAN (Lord ELGIN, Colonial Secretary) : — 1 ma the First Lord of the Admiralty what occurred, self entirely in the hands of the Conference with regard to any modification or omission of the words referring to the Admiralty. Otherwise he has no objection to it.—(p. 541)

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Sir Wilfrid, LAURIER : — 1 am sorry {0 say, s0 far as Canada js concerned, we cannot agree to the resolution. We took the ground many years ago that we had enough to do in [thot] respect in [our] country before committing ourselves to a general claim. Th: Governement of Canada has done a great deal in that respect. Our action was not understood, but 1 was glad to see that the First Lord of the Admiralty admitted we had done much more than he was aware of. It is impossible, in my humble opinion, to have a uniform policy on this matter : the disproportion is too great between the Mother Country ond the Colonies. We have too much to do otherwise ; in the Mother Country, you must remember, they have no expenses to incur with regard to. public works ; whereas, in most of the Colonies, certainiy in Canada, we have to tax ourselves lo the utmost of our resources in the development of our country, and we could not contribute, or undertake to do more than we are doing in that way. . For my part, if the motion were pressed to a conclusion, I should have to vote against it.

Dr. SMARTT : — But the public works to which you refer are of a reproductive character which are vital to the interests of your Dominion.

Sir Wilfrid LAURIER : — Some of our railways have never paid a cent of interest or expenses. =:

Dr. SMARTT : — Still, it is developing and opening up the country to an enormous extent. All the colonies are building developing railways of a character which may not be revenue-producing for years.

form either of à great of money, or the estiblishservices. 1 understand Canada suggested strongiy services were in the nature of local defence. said all L have to say on the subject.

ls a pity to pass the resolution 1f it is not unanimors. De, SMART : — 1 should like very much to hear the opinions of the ropressutere.

Pass something. We have done that 1 am anxjous we should d > something of

must vote egainst it.

Sir Joseph WARD : — To do any good we would require to be unanimous about it,

Dr, SMARTT : — Yes, 1 suppose 50,

Mr. Winston CHURCHILL : — It js not much good to have a resolution at all if we ranunot be unanimous,

CHAIRMAN : — 1 think we had better not proceed any further just now.

Sir Wilfrid LAURIER : — We, of the different Dominions beyond the Seas, have tried to be unanimous up to the present time, Lam sorry to say this is a question upon which we could not be unanimous. Therefore, Dr. Smartt can move it 1f he chooses, or withdraw it But if he presses it I should have to vote against jt. — (p. 542-543)

Vœu du 29 mars 1909 Texte proposé par M. FOSTER (1) :—

resources, of her geographical position and of self help and soif respect which no longer delay in sssuming her share of the responsibility and financial burden incident to the suitable protection her exposed coast line and great seaports.”

Texte suggéré par sir Wilfrid LAURIER (2) :— TMS Mouse fully recognises the duty of the people of Canads, as they incresse in aumbers and wealth, to assume in larger measure the responsibilities c{ national del'ence,

necessary expenditure designed te pro-

ice in ce-operation with and in close

the lines suggested by the ndmiraity at the last sympathy with the view that the naval supromacy of security of commerce, the safety of the Empire and the

“The House expres:.es its firm conviction that whenover the need arises the Cansdian people will be found ready and willing to make any sacrifice that is required te give to the imperial authorities the most loyal and hearty Co-operation in every movement for the maintenance of the integrity and the honour of the Empire.”

(1) Votes and Proceedings, 1909, March 29th, page 494 (2) Delates House of Commens, 1909, March #vth, Loi. 3512-18,

Rédaction définitive Rroposée r sir Wilfrid LAURIER, après consultation avec M. BORD » et votée à l'unanimité (1) :—

“This House fully recognises the duty of the Poaple of Canade, as they increase in numbers and wealth, to assume in larger measure the responsibilities of national defence.

“The House is of opinion that under the present constitutional relations between the mother country and the self Soverning dominions the payment of regular and periedical contributions to the Imperial treasury for naval and military purposes would not, s0 far as Canada is concerned, be the most satisfactery solution of the Question of defence.

“The House will cordially approve of sny necessary expenditure designed te premote the speedy organisation of a Canadian naval service in co-operation with and in close relation to the Imperial navy, along the lines suggested by the Admiraity at the

y with the view that the naval suprecommerce, the safety of the Empire and

“The House expresses its firm conviction that whenever the need arises the Canaedian people will be found ready and willing to make any sacrifice that is required to give to the Imperial authorities the most loyal and hearty co-operation in every movement for the maintenance of the integrity and the honour of the Empire.”

Le lendemain, lord GREY lélégraphie au ministre des Colonies (2): FROM LORD GREY TO LORD CREWE.

. No 164 Ottawa, 30th March, 1909.